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Environment, Global warming, Hiroshima/Japan, Hurricane Irma, Nagasaki/Japan, Nuclear weapons, Survival of Man, The Climate Swerve
Dotard & Rocket Man
play nuclear war games
while Frankenstorms rage.
Bill Moyers, managing editor of Moyers & Company and BillMoyers.com, recently sat down with 91-year-old Robert Jay Lifton, a renowned American psychiatrist and historian. They talked about his just published book, The Climate Swerve: Reflections of Mind, Hope, and Survival. Lifton borrowed the term “swerve” from Harvard humanities professor Stephen Greenblatt who used the term to describe a major historical change in human consciousness. Lifton has turned his attention to climate change, which, he says, “presents us with what may be the most demanding and unique psychological task ever required of humankind.”
I share with you some excerpts from Lifton’s responses to Moyers during the interview.
[T]he governing elite and even the common people have not responded adequately to either nuclear weapons or climate threat. See what’s happening with North Korea right now. So yes, it’s discouraging, but if we keep at it, maybe what we can achieve even in a bumbling way will prevent an ultimate catastrophe with both a nuclear and climate swerve.
With climate change there hasn’t yet been until possibly now, and maybe not even now, an equivalent of nuclear imagery. When you see imagery of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, you really sense that the world could be ended — the imagery of extinction as I call it — by these weapons. They’re more than weapons; they’re instruments of genocide. We haven’t had equivalent climate images. But now the hurricanes, the devastation of islands that an hour before had been beautiful places of pleasure, wiped out and rendered uninhabitable — that’s a pretty staggering image.
I talk less and less about climate denial and more about climate rejection. And the reason why I make that distinction is that everybody now, including Pruitt and Trump, the most antagonistic people to climate truths, knows in some part of their minds that climate change threatens us, but they reject the threat because they can’t accept what it demands of us. It demands that government itself be active and connect with other governments, and this threatens their worldview and their identity.
I think the people who reject the facts of global warming in order to sustain a belief system that rejects it are a minority, and perhaps a minority that’s growing smaller as the mindset I’m describing in The Climate Swerve is growing… That’s the argument I’m making. I’m not envisioning some beautiful future of humankind behaving perfectly and wisely in this new mindset. I just think we have an increasing capacity to avert catastrophe and to take some life-enhancing steps that comes from the mindset.
I think [these hurricanes] are very significant psychologically as well as physically. What they psychologically tell us is that everybody’s vulnerable. Rich vacationers, retirees in Florida, along with ordinary people are just as vulnerable as people whose islands in the South Pacific might sink into the ocean. There is the fantasy that calamity will affect them but not us. That’s wrong, and the hurricanes make the truth more available to us. I think, again, the experience side of climate change right in their own backyards, in our own backyards, alters [the survival-of-the-fittest or wealthiest attitude].
Read the full interview at BillMoyers.com.
I had not heard of the “climate swerve.” “Swerve” meaning, “a major historical change in human consciousness.” It’s impossible to know what will become of our globe, but a ray of light is always appreciated.
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I hadn’t heard about it, either, JoAnn. For me, Lifton’s insights are more like a bolt of lightning than “a ray of light.” We humans are survivalists. We messed up in not listening to our scientists way back in the 1970s and 1980s. Now we have to pay the price of inaction. In the coming years, we will be so hammered by the effects of climate disruption, on all fronts, that climate deniers will lose their voice and power.
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I think it will be too late, but hope it is not.
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JoAnn, it’s already too late to stop the train we’ve set in motion. If we continue fueling its engine, the train will gain speed. By cutting off its energy supply, we will slow it down and hopefully avert total disaster.
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Swerve: a major historical change in human consciousness… I wonder what examples are being used – I’d have to read Stephen Greenblatt for an answer to that, I suppose. The only one that comes to mind would be what we now refer to as “The Renaissance” which, not incidentally, seems to have followed a major climate change over Europe, when the mini ice age receded, though not uniformly. The “dark ages” weren’t just a downgrading of civilization due to the fall of the Roman empire; it was really a dark, cloudy, stormy, wintry time. The Renaissance would be a “swerve” – pushed by the rise in mercantilism, the ‘nouveau riche” emulating the elites in sponsoring artists and buying works of art. But behind that facade of change, the dark side: the need for raw materials led to greatly increased shipping, exploring, conquering… lots changed…but correspondingly the lot of the poor worsened… exponentially. From survival on plots of agricultural lands where they could grow their own food and weave their own clothing, they were forced into mill towns’ hastily erected slums to provide the slave labour force needed to keep the mills going. Entire families slaved in the mines and cotton mills until conditions became so dire that even Parliament (in England) began to take notice and do something about child labour.
Certainly there was also much hope at the onset of the Renaissance, but history neutrally informs us of the result of that hope: imperialism and capitalism began to systematically exploit, despoil, enslave and slaughter whatever stood in the way of these capitalist pirates of the high seas and conquered lands.
Perhaps this coming “swerve” will put an end to the pillaging of Renaissance capitalism; what remains to be seen is what Earthians will choose to replace it with. Something truly new? Or the tried and failed again? Hope, on this world, is truly the lure of fools. We need much more than hope to change the programmed pattern of destruction we’ve so heartily and wholeheartedly supported and joined in. We so love firewords and watching “bombs in the air” a la America. Let’s not forget that people cheer Trump when he bombasts about nuclear war, and there’s no doubt in my mind that the dotard is trying his damnedest to do so on North Korea and Iran. How long before he loses it completely and goes for the red phone? I don’t even know if that’s a rhetorical question or an actual legitimate one.
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Always some typos: firewords of course should read “fireworks” Maybe I should pay more attention to the spellchecker… Oh, if only I wasn’t too poor to pay attention… The irony here is that firewords are what people like to hear coming from the dotard.
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That’s the problem with a “swerve,” Sha’Tara: we never know with certainty where it will take us. Mother Nature has the last “fireword” (love that slip). Climate disruption is the outcome of “the pillaging of Renaissance capitalism.” When the last pillars of capitalism fall, the way forward will depend upon the voices of reason and compassion.
“Hope, on this world, is truly the lure of fools,” you say. Then, I’m a fool for this world. Where compassion resides, there lives hope.
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“Where compassion resides, there lives hope.” I’m trying to make the connection between “compassion” and “hope” and coming up empty here. Compassion is complete in itself, it needs no “motivation,” “input,” or “support” from any other force. Remember those famous three “virtues” in 1 Cor. 13:13 – “now these three remain, faith, hope and love, but the greatest of these is love”? I literally spent years trying to work out this “riddle” only to discover that they don’t work: it’s feel good fiction. If they did not work, then what could possibly be “used” in lieu of? I discovered that effective healing energy came from a personal desire to “burn” that light might erupt. That’s compassion. Unlike FHL, compassion cannot be faked, nor does it require help, or reciprocation. Consider the history of the Christian faith, which you and I are both deeply familiar with. Faith is its foundation. What is faith? The substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. It’s a mirage on the endless desert promising a deep well, or an oasis which common sense insists will never materialize because it is totally dependent upon some capricious force: God… nature… or “the will of the people.” If one hopes, one must have faith. If one lives by faith… then faith in what?
If we are to ever change the modus operandi, or programming; if we are burningly sincere about it, we will of necessity eschew all things which prior to now, have failed to deliver on their promises. Now that’s an “Exxon Valdez” tanker (://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez_oil_spill) full of failed promises. In fact, honestly, every single promise we were ever given has failed.
So we stand on our doorstep looking at our world and we ask, “Now what?” And all the answers come trooping back… all the tried and failed, screaming for first place. But we know now they don’t work. So we say, “No, give me something new, something truly powerful, something that I can do on my own; something that I cannot misuse or abuse; something so “right” I want it to burn me to the very core.”
Then two things come up: self empowerment through compassion. Compassion through self empowerment, until they stand as one. When an individual grasps this truth, all other things become, as Frank Herbert wrote, “the smoke that banishes sleep in the night” – at best, annoyances, at worst, misdirection.
The difference between compassion and any other offering is, it has no expectations, is not reciprocal, has no need of input from any other force but itself. I think it takes a certain level of awareness to grasp this and then to actually go forth and work with it. In reading literature purporting to deal with divine, or godly, designs, even the gods fail to understand the nature of compassion. Problem inherent to people, and their gods: they need company. They need. Compassion has no need. That makes it a completely “stand alone” program, the deadliest enemy of Matrix programming.
This isn’t dissing the work of good and sincere people trying to make sense of our current madness and wanting desperately to do something about it – this is about empowerment that will never fall to disillusionment or despair.
Should I write a book, or what? 🙂
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Sha’Tara, as individuals, we will not agree on everything. That’s okay with me ❤
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Reblogged this on The Secular Jurist.
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Thanks for the re-blog, Robert 🙂
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You’re welcome, Ros. 🙂
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This is excellent. I wholeheartedly agree that natural disasters can be equalizers in ways that humans seem to not be able to be.
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I agree, Kathy. However, the working poor and other disadvantaged people may never recover from the blow.
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This is true.
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humbly accepting nature’s ways
of expressing that something
is wrong & our inevitable shared
fate 🙂
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Thanks for that insight, David 🙂
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I fully agree that politicians are incapable of working with other people for the common good. With politicians, there’s only one good they are working for!
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So true, John. Here in the US, they have to do the bidding of their donors.
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Donors? Maybe that should more accurately be “Owners” and “Puppeteers”?
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Great post.
It’s still important to take responsible action to, as you said, “avert total disaster.” Even if humanity fails to survive perhaps our efforts at this time will allow other life forms to survive – beings more deserving of survival.
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Thanks. Perhaps. We’ve already destroyed so many other life forms and threaten others.
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I know. It’s sickening.
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Reblogged this on Guyanese Online.
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Thanks for sharing my post, Cyril. Have a sunshine week 🙂
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Thanks for the re-blog 🙂
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Thanks, Rosaliene. Greenblatt’s book focuses on the first century Roman, Lucretius. Moyer’s also published a couple of terrific books of interviews a couple of decades ago.
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Dr. Stein, I’m not familiar with the works of Greenblatt and Lifton. I miss Bill Moyer’s interviews on PBS. His show exposed me to lots of great American thinkers and leaders.
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Rosaliene, thanks for this post. Every time I read a blog of yours, I take away some insights and some book suggestions. I think climate change or climate swerve is real and needs to be taken seriously. Unfortunately most world leaders are not paying much attention to this … just hoping we don’t have a natural disaster that brings humanity closer to apocalypse :(.
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Thanks for dropping by, Bindu. If we on Planet Earth don’t transition to renewal forms of energy, climate-related disasters will hit all nations in areas where they are most vulnerable.
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Thank you for this and for the link; I will read the entire interview tonight.
I just unsubscribed and resubscribed and unsubscribed and resubscribed in hopes of getting your posts to the inbox and not the reader. I rarely visit the reader due to so little time online.
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Thanks for the effort, Lisa. Hope it works.
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Rosaliene I’m delighted you found our blog so we could find yours. The ancient Greek philosopher Diogenes once said, “Every gift the gods have given us we’ve destroyed.” Referring to those who limit their focus on their selfish desires that tragically effect the majority of humanity. I’ve pondered the human equation for over half a century only to conclude there are too many variables in the predisposition of individuals for a definitive answer. However informative posts like this are a beacon of light in the darkness, and where there is light hope is illuminated. Thank-you.
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Michael, I’m also delighted to find your blog: a voice of reason amidst our growing insanity. Indeed, “there are too many variables in the predisposition of individuals…” I have also witnessed great acts of heroism and selflessness from the least among us.
I look forward to staying connected on the blogosphere.
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Rosaliene,
People can’t afford to depend on their governments to behave. It is up to each individual to become proactive to reduce waste and live in eco-friendly ways. The interest in climate change is leading to greater interest in science, generally, and in the natural world around us. Good post, as usual.
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Quote: “People can’t afford to depend on their governments to behave. It is up to each individual to become proactive to reduce waste and live in eco-friendly ways.” Truer words could not be spoken, IMO.
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Thanks, Sha’Tara. People power.
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So true, Katharine: As individuals, we have to become proactive. When environmental destructive policies undermine our joint efforts, we also have to hold our government representatives accountable.
Thanks for dropping by. Hope that all is reasonably well in your part of the world.
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A swerve or the possibility of a swerve gives us some hope for the future. I look forward to that possibility (though I am not sure I believe it!)
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Mary, the climate swerve will depend upon each one of us. As fellow blogger Katharine notes: “we have to become proactive.”
Thanks for dropping by and leaving a comment. Your stories from real life are always engaging and insightful 🙂
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Thank you. My feeling is that even if we do our bit there’s a chance, but most people don’t!
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I hear you, Mary. During our years of extreme drought here in California, I witnessed neighbors ignoring city and state regulations for conserving our water supply. However, we have to continue doing our part and calling out our relatives, friends, and neighbors.
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I agree. A little bit of shame should be attached to such a flagrant disregard for what is the only responsible behaviour!
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Thanks for sharing Rosaliene, these are insightful words and I will try and make time to read the whole thing
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Thanks for dropping by, Denzil. Your recent informative post on “Ocean Plastic” highlights another human-caused disaster in motion.
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It’s very sad to see what we’re doing to early and ourselves, thanks Rosaliene darling for the great post ❤️
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And thank you for reading, Laleh 🙂
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My pleasure ❤️
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